Marriages of Two Clergy-Persons1

   Ralph L. and Mary Cline Detrick

   Parish Ministries Staff, Church of the Brethren, Elgin, Illinois

 

This article originally appeared in “Pastoral Psychology, Vol. 30, Number 1, Fall, 1981.

 

 

ABSTRACT:  Defines a “clergy couple” as a married couple, each person ordained or licensed, and each employed by the church.  Gives current statistics on the number of clergy couples in eleven denominations.  Describes how it works in practice in a variety of arrangements.  Lists the advantages for a congregation and for the couple.  Describes some problem areas for some couples.  Lists some characteristics of a successful clergy couple ministry.  Asserts that clergy couples are a growing phenomenon and concludes that it is a legitimate, visible option for ministry.

 

                Bill and Sue met in seminary, married and graduated together.  They wished to work together as pastors in the same parish.  Their clergy profile was sent to congregations indicating the availability of a clergy couple.  They accepted a call to a congregation where they have served for the last eight years.

            They share the same job description and each is employed one-half time.  Preaching and worship leadership is shared equally.  They divide responsibilities for committee meetings and administrative tasks.  Except for the first few months after the birth of each of their two children, both have had part-time employment elsewhere.  Both share equally in the homemaking and parenting responsibilities.

 

 

Who are Clergy Couples?

 

 

            Clergy couples are a new and growing phenomenon that has mushroomed in the last five years.  Clergy couples are variously defined by denominations.  For the purpose of this article, a clergy couple is a married couple, each person ordained or licensed, and each employed by the church.

            There are varied patterns for ministry. Each may be individually employed by and serve in separate congregations, either full or part time.  Both may jointly serve two or more congregations, in a variety of time arrangements.  One may be employed by a church related institution, and the other in a parish.  At least three denominations have a total of four positions staffed by a married couple, sharing the position equally.

            For couples serving the same parish there are a variety of patterns.  Each person may have a separate position description, or they may share the same position.  They may share one full time position, each one half time, or in other time patterns.  They may share a one and one half time or two full time positions.  Some couples who share a single full time position, negotiate a five eighths salary each, to cover anticipated double time. 

 

 

 

A Growing Phenomenon

 

 

            Clergy couple activity has increased to the point that a major consultation was held in October, 1978, at Kings Island Inn, Mason, Ohio, for clergy couples.  The four day event was sponsored by Professional Church Leadership of the National Council of Churches.  It was attended by one hundred and thirteen clergy couples from twelve main-line North American denominations, plus forty denominational representatives and resource people.  It was estimated that there were between six hundred fifty and a thousand clergy couples in the denominations represented in the consultation.2

                The denominations in Table 1 represent a sample of the activity of clergy couples in North America, as of July 1981.  The numbers are approximate and represent a variety of types of clergy couples.

            The numbers vary, but from one third to one half of the clergy couples in the above denominations are employed by the same parish.  The exception is the United Methodist Church, where most couples serve in different settings because they have only recently been permitted part time employment, thus allowing job sharing in the same parish.

 

Table 1

 

                                                            Number and Breakdown of Clergy Couples

American Baptist Churches      56

American Lutheran  Church                  35-40               (1/3 same position in parish

                                                                                    1/3 separate positions in same

                                                                                    parish,

1/3 separate parishes.)

Church of the Brethren              30                    (20 same parish)

Christian Church (Disciples of

            Christ                                       100                 

Episcopal Church                                 50                    (10 same parish)

Lutheran  Church in America                 38                    (21 same parish)

                                                                                    (17 in separate parishes)

Presbyterian Church, US                      47

United Church of Canada                     80                    (1/3 same parish)

United Church of Christ                        150-175           (1/2 serving together)

United Methodist Church                      300                  (most in different settings)

United Presbyterian Church                             

            USA                                        150                  (50 separate positions in same

                                                                                    parish,

                                                                                    28 same position in parish,       

                                                                                    72 different parishes or agencies)

 

            Several denominations have adopted policies related to pensions, hospitalizations and housing, to take into account the special circumstance of clergy couples.  Some denominations have staff whose job description includes working with clergy couples.  Having an adequate profile for job placement of clergy couples is an issue facing the ministry departments of national denominational offices.

            The rest of this article is addressed to the practice of a couple who are employed by the same congregation or congregations, either sharing an identical job description or different positions in the same parish.  Both persons are pastors who are available to all the members of the parish for some type of pastoral service.   However, the comments about marriage and family life will apply to clergy couples of all types.

 

 

How it Works in Practice

 

 

            The way clergy couples function in ministry is as varied as the number of couples.  A key issue for the couple to decide early on is their style of sharing.  For those who have the same job description the question is, will they share everything; do joint planning, and take turns doing various tasks; or will they do parallel work, dividing up major responsibilities and overlapping only occasionally?

            For couples who have separate position descriptions, this question is already answered in theory.  But, in practice, there may be persons who prefer to go to one or the other pastor for counseling or opinions whether or not that is his or her responsibility.

            Most clergy couples choose to divide responsibilities according to individual talent and interest with the needs of the parish in mind.  Rather than for both to attend all committee meetings, these are divided up, with one pastor meeting regularly with the nurture committee, and the other with the witness committee, for example.

            Pulpit visibility is a key concern for many.  Often it takes time for the woman to establish herself as pastor rather than the “real pastor’s helper.”  Providing worship leadership, preaching, and administering the sacraments are important for visibility of the woman pastor in clergy couples.

            For a clergy couple, regular staff meetings are essential.  There must be time to share what happened at last night’s meeting, to do short and long range planning, to evaluate, and most important, to provide support and encouragement for one another.  Time set aside to “check in” is crucial.

            Who does weddings, funerals and counseling may depend on which pastor is requested, and often both are asked.  Many clergy couples prefer to do co-counseling, especially for couples and families.  This has the advantage of male/female representation as well as the perspective of two people.

            The way a couple share a job often changes over time.  The pastors develop new skills and interests, the needs of a congregation change, so the configuration changes.  Some couples begin with the intent to share equally in all tasks, but after some experience they find it more practicable to delineate responsibilities within the same position description.

 

Advantages to a Congregation

 

            Hiring two pastors who are married to each other has a number of advantages.  It is often mentioned that one advantage is getting two for the price of one.  However, this should never be lifted up as an advantage, because it should never be considered an advantage to take advantage of a couple in this way.  Position descriptions need to be realistic and clearly stated.  Salary should be adequate for the amount of time intended.  If it is a one full time position, with each pastor employed one-half time, then the parish is getting two one-half time people for the price of one.  It is a disservice to the congregation and to the couple to expect more.

            One advantage of a clergy couple is the visibility of women in ministry.  For a congregation who may have problems with a woman as clergy, a clergy couple can be a way to “ease into” accepting women in ministry.  The parish benefits when the gifts of a woman as pastor are available.

            The availability of two pastors who represent tow personalities and both sexes increases the possibility that parishioners will have a pastor who is “on their wave length.”  A parishioner isn’t stuck with just one option.  Clergy couples frequently say that women and sometimes men prefer the woman for counseling.  The parishioners have a choice.

            A couple can embody the Gospel through personal illustration and example.  They can model healthy ways of communicating, including dealing with differences.  They can model openness, trust, sharing, equality, partnership, mutuality and dealing with struggle and pain.

            Traditional ministry has often been hierarchical, with the clergyman as leader.  A clergy couple demonstrate shared leadership and mutual decision making.  Women and men can have egalitarian work patterns, the priesthood of all believers can be lived out in practice.  Modeling partnership in ministry can help the Word become flesh for others.

            There is the advantage of team planning, team leadership and team evaluation.  A more creative product comes from the stimulation of two working at a task.  Two heads are truly better than one.  In this sense, the congregation does get two for the price of one.

            The Gospel is varied and never just one perspective.  Two persons preaching will more likely represent the diversity in the congregation.  When the clergy couple feels free to disagree about theology and Bible interpretation, this facilitates more open sharing among others.  It teaches that it’s okay to disagree, that people can be comfortable and accepting in the midst of difference.

            The counseling ministry is often strengthened.  Not only are there two persons to choose from, but the couple can help put others at ease who may have been afraid of going for counseling.  If the clergy couple is appropriately open about their joys and struggles, others will perceive they are approachable and can identify with their struggles.

            The main disadvantage to a congregation is dealing with the precedent set by a successful clergy couple ministry.  One pastor strongly disapproved of clergy couples because they would be a hard act to follow.  He would never follow a clergy couple in a pastorate.  Another risk to a congregation which hires a clergy couple relates to the strength of the marriage.  The character of every marriage changes and even a strong marriage will have cycles of tension during the term of the pastorate.  The couple with an insecure marriage will be a high risk for a congregation.

 

 

 

 

Advantages for a Couple

 

 

            Being a clergy couple can provide employment as another arena for marriage intimacy.  Along with sharing intimacy in the areas of homemaking, parenting, sex, etc., many couples desire to add their professional life as another arena for sharing.  It is similar to a couple who are in business together, or who operate a family farm.

            When both share the pastorate, the burden is not on one person to “be all things to all people.”  There is a sharing of the load.  Two persons sharing one job increases the possibility of utilizing each person’s gifts and skills.  Rather than being spread thin, each person can concentrate in fewer areas.  A couple can also negotiate to share the disagreeable tasks.

            Already mentioned is the increased creativity of two persons working at a task.  Two people stir each other’s imagination.  There is someone else to provide a check and balance.  There is another person available if one “goes dry.”

            Persons in clergy couples are able to have part-time employment which permits shared parenting.  A mother can also be professionally employed and a father can also be homemaker and active parent.  Many men are tired of having primary financial responsibility for the family and want to be more involved with their children.  Many women want to be mothers and continue their professional life.

            Many persons are committed to equality and mutuality in marriage.  Sharing a job helps a couple face their sexist assumptions.  Sharing homemaking and child care and deciding the preaching schedule provide daily opportunity to work at equality on a very practical level.

 

Some Problem Areas for Some Couples

 

 

            One characteristic of most clergy couples is a clear commitment not to live according to strict assumptions.  However, even the most committed couple is not free of sexism.  The issue of authority and dominance is real for many couples.

            The clergy couple’s marriage is very transparent.  People will quickly pick up any indication that one or the other really has the last word.  It is one thing to defer to each other in areas of special talent, but when decisions are made where both need to participate, it is important that one is not always deferring to the other.  If either is insecure in the marriage or in the job, an imbalance will occur that will be perceived as a weakness of the team, not of just one person.

            Another potential problem area is competition.  Two strong individuals who each feel the need to best the other will not work.  One person who feels inadequate may fight for recognition and compete with the spouse in an attempt to get strokes.  Two persons who feel good about themselves, however, will each welcome the strength of the other person as a stimulus to perform well, rather than see it as a negative force.

            Boundary confusion is another problem area.  The writer of an article on a clergy couple for a local newspaper said, “The ministry is the marriage and the marriage is the ministry.”  This unfortunate blurring of the boundaries results in an inadequate living out of the marriage, and a weak ministry.

            A couple needs a strong sense of the personality of their marriage, and out of that strength, engage in ministry.  Boundary confusion between marriage and ministry is one of the problems most frequently mentioned by clergy couples.

            Another danger is the infringement of the job on family time.  Discussing last night’s committee meeting at the breakfast table and planning the youth program at the supper table leaves the kids out of family time.  Children of clergy couples are P.K.’s twice over.  It is the responsibility of the parents to protect family time, to provide sharing space for children.

            Although much progress is being made regarding women as clergy, many clergy couples discover a continuing issue with congregational attitudes toward the wife who is pastor.  Regardless of the visibility of the woman, it is often a long time before some persons in the congregation are able to get beyond the assumption that the man is the pastor and the woman is his helper.

            It may be financial sacrifice to be a clergy couple.  For many families it is hard to make it on one income.  Pension and social security don’t accumulate fast if each is credited with half of a full-time salary.

            When a couple becomes pastors together before establishing themselves as a married couple, or before each person has become an autonomous individual, the ministry is in jeopardy.  It overloads the circuits to establish an identity, as a person, as a couple, as parents, and as clergy all at the same time.  This is a serious problem for young couples who share a pastorate right out of seminary.

 

 

Characteristics of a Successful Clergy Couple Ministry

 

 

            The key to a successful clergy couple is the quality of the marriage.  A satisfying marriage depends greatly on two autonomous persons who can relate from personal strength, and who, therefore, are interdependent.

            It is especially important that persons in a clergy couple have other close friends.  Sharing job, marriage, parenting, and homemaking involves danger of the couple becoming too enmeshed.  There need to be spaces in the togetherness.  Other close intimate friends can provide a buffer to too much togetherness.

            Each person in the couple needs to feel strong and worthwhile alone.  To welcome separateness and aloneness is a necessary balance to all the sharing.  Having time to be alone and feeling good about being alone brings strength to the sharing.

            A clergy couple needs to be good friends.  They are professional colleagues.  They need to really like each other, respect, trust and appreciate each other.  They need to see each other as separate worthwhile persons, with unique gifts, perspectives, and working styles.

            They must have a compatible working arrangement.  This is primarily a matter of attitude and spirit.  One couple with opposite working styles (one a dreamer, the other an organizer) may be very compatible because they rejoice in complementing each other.  For another couple the difference may be a constant source of friction and pain.

            A clergy couple must manage time well.  Setting priorities, keeping track of how time is spent, separating professional and family time – these are critical tasks to keep the weekly schedule from becoming chaotic.

 

 

Conclusion

 

 

            The growth of clergy couples has paralleled the entrance of women into the ministry.  Some pastors’ wives are going back to school, becoming ordained, and joining their husbands in ministry.  More women than ever are in seminary.  Women and men with similar vocational interests are meeting, marrying, and some will become clergy couples.

            To be a clergy couple serving a parish may be the right thing for a couple to do at a particular time in their life.  It may also be the right thing for a congregation at a particular time in its history.  It is not necessarily a superior arrangement, but for some couples and some congregations, it may be.  It needs to be seen as a legitimate model, a viable option for ministry with advantages and dangers as in any other arrangement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.        Editor’s Note:  This article, as submitted, carried the title “Clergy Couples.”  This term, as the readers soon will discover, is used to describe what I, and others, have described as “two-clergy couples,” or “two-clergy marriages.”  The term “clergy couple” has been widely used in the past (since at least 1951) to describe any marriage involving a clergy member, and it is so used in four of the five articles in this issue.

I am aware that in 1978 the Ohio Consultation for two-clergy couple firmly claimed the title “clergy couples” with the intent of changing the earlier usage.  Only the future will determine which usage will ultimately win general acceptance.

In order to avoid confusion, however, I decided to change the title of this article; but within the article itself, the original terminology of the authors remains unchanged.

 

Ralph L. Detrick has shared employment, parenting and homemaking with his wife, Mary, for the last seven years.  Both are employed by the Church of the Brethren with responsibilities for Life Cycle Ministry, Youth/Young Adult Ministry and Person Awareness in Elgin, Illinois.

 

2.    A 57-page report of this Consultation entitled Clergy Couples is available from Professional Church

       Leadership Office, National Council of Churches, Room 770, 475 Riverside Dr, NY, NY 10115.